Interactive PDF Link to Notes in Preview

[Zone Dremik]

Hello,
After a recent upgrade to my computer, the function that links music notes (and lyrics) in the PDF viewer, to the text in the Lilypond files, has stopped working.

The ability to click on notes and lyrics in the preview screen, and have the exact point highlighted in the corresponding Lilypond file was so enormously useful, that the loss of this function has become a great barrier to efficient use of the program.

I am using Lilypond Version 2.18.2-1
Apple Macintosh System 10.11.6
Apple Preview Version 8.1 (877.7)

I tried to look through the user-forums, but could not find the right search terms to describe this function.

(Should this post be sent to Lilypond_Bugs instead?)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Zon

(New at posting to user-groups; please excuse ineptitude, thank you)

[Federico Bruni]

Hello Zon

Il giorno mar 3 lug 2018 alle 18:47, Zone Dremik
<***@yahoo.com> ha scritto:
> Hello,
> After a recent upgrade to my computer, the function that links music
> notes (and lyrics) in the PDF viewer, to the text in the Lilypond
> files, has stopped working.
>

Which text editor are you using?
How did you set your system to enable point-and-click? In other words,
what's the command you assigned to the EDITOR or LYEDITOR variables?

Read:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/configuring-the-system-for-point-and-click.html

(this page was changed recently, but the change has not been released
yet)


> The ability to click on notes and lyrics in the preview screen, and
> have the exact point highlighted in the corresponding Lilypond file
> was so enormously useful, that the loss of this function has become a
> great barrier to efficient use of the program.
>
> I am using Lilypond Version 2.18.2-1
> Apple Macintosh System 10.11.6
> Apple Preview Version 8.1 (877.7)
>

We need to know the text editor you want to use.

> I tried to look through the user-forums, but could not find the right
> search terms to describe this function.
>
> (Should this post be sent to Lilypond_Bugs instead?)
>
>

This is the correct list for this question.

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno mar 3 lug 2018 alle 20:04, Federico Bruni
<***@inventati.org> ha scritto:
> Hello Zon
>
> Il giorno mar 3 lug 2018 alle 18:47, Zone Dremik
> <***@yahoo.com> ha scritto:
>> Hello,
>> After a recent upgrade to my computer, the function that links music
>> notes (and lyrics) in the PDF viewer, to the text in the Lilypond
>> files, has stopped working.
>>
>
> Which text editor are you using?
> How did you set your system to enable point-and-click? In other
> words, what's the command you assigned to the EDITOR or LYEDITOR
> variables?
>
> Read:
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/configuring-the-system-for-point-and-click.html
>
> (this page was changed recently, but the change has not been released
> yet)
>

Sorry, it's written in the subject: it's Notes.

I'm not a Mac user and cannot help much.
You should check if Notes supports opening a file in a precise location
(line and column) and see what's the correct syntax to use.

Are you sure it used to work with Notes in the past or you are making
confusion with something else?

I may help if you want to use editors which can run on multiple
operating systems, including Linux.

The patch I mentioned before is here:
https://codereview.appspot.com/357720043/diff/1/Documentation/usage/external.itely

[Hans Åberg]

> On 3 Jul 2018, at 20:14, Federico Bruni <***@inventati.org> wrote:
>
>> Read:
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/configuring-the-system-for-point-and-click.html
>> (this page was changed recently, but the change has not been released yet)
>
> I'm not a Mac user and cannot help much.

Indeed, the environment variable EDITOR is not used on MacOS in favor of another lookup system.

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi Zone,

For some reason I can't see your original post anymore. Anyway, since
somebody mentioned Skim, I now recall there was a length discussion of this
exact same topic in the list a while ago. It would be worth you while to
look at the archives.

I do sometimes use a Mac, and I do also now recall that Apple removed that
functionality in Preview in Sierra, so nothing can be done to fix it. Skim
seems to be one good solution. But how about Frescobaldi?

Andrew


On 4 July 2018 at 04:04, Federico Bruni <***@inventati.org> wrote:

> Hello Zon
>
> Il giorno mar 3 lug 2018 alle 18:47, Zone Dremik <***@yahoo.com>
> ha scritto:
>
>> Hello,
>> After a recent upgrade to my computer, the function that links music
>> notes (and lyrics) in the PDF viewer, to the text in the Lilypond files,
>> has stopped working.
>>
>>
>

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno gio 5 lug 2018 alle 16:57, Andrew Bernard
<"andrew.bernard"@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> I do sometimes use a Mac, and I do also now recall that Apple removed
> that functionality in Preview in Sierra, so nothing can be done to
> fix it. Skim seems to be one good solution. But how about Frescobaldi?

I jumped in this discussion, as a non-Mac-user, because I'm writing a
blog post which includes a part about using editors other than
Frescobaldi.

The Usage manual¹ doesn't say that the instructions for
point-and-click are valid for Linux only, so I though that a similar
mechanism could work at least in Mac (and maybe on Windows).

¹
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/configuring-the-system-for-point-and-click.html


I've now learned that:

- it used to work in Mac before Sierra, but I wonder if you were able
to set an editor different from Notes...
- it doesn't work in Windows or at least I'm not sure how to make it
work. I have added lilypond installation directory to the path, in fact
I can run lilypond in the PowerShell. But I cannot run
lilypond-invoke-editor. If I type lilypond and then hit TAB, it's not
in the available commands.

If on Linux I do:

$ file `which lilypond-invoke-editor`
/usr/bin/lilypond-invoke-editor: a /usr/bin/guile1.8 -s script, ASCII
text executable

Any Windows expert who can help?

[Anders Eriksson]

On 2018-07-05 18:30, Federico Bruni wrote:
> If I type lilypond and then hit TAB, it's not in the available commands

ON windows the Tab completion only "sees" programs in the current
directory or if you already have entered a path, the directory the path
is pointing to.

So if you don't get an completion then there isn't any program that
begins with 'lilypond' in the directory

// Anders

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi Anders, Federico,

F: Not Notes. No such thing I have seen. You probably mean TextEdit, the
basic standard supplied text editor. It's been a while since I used my Mac
for lilypond, so I can't remember, but I think any text editor could be
made to work. Since it now cannot due to Apple's decision (why do they keep
reducing functionality?) it is no longer relevant.

A: You can get tab completion plugins for PowerShell if you hunt around.

Also, as mentioned, Skim works for this purpose last time I used it.

https://skim-app.sourceforge.io/

Andrew


On 6 July 2018 at 02:57, Anders Eriksson <***@andis59.se> wrote:

>
>
> On 2018-07-05 18:30, Federico Bruni wrote:
>
>> If I type lilypond and then hit TAB, it's not in the available commands
>>
>
> ON windows the Tab completion only "sees" programs in the current
> directory or if you already have entered a path, the directory the path is
> pointing to.
>
> So if you don't get an completion then there isn't any program that begins
> with 'lilypond' in the directory
>
> // Anders
>
>

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno gio 5 lug 2018 alle 18:57, Anders Eriksson
<***@andis59.se> ha scritto:
>
>
> On 2018-07-05 18:30, Federico Bruni wrote:
>> If I type lilypond and then hit TAB, it's not in the available
>> commands
>
> ON windows the Tab completion only "sees" programs in the current
> directory or if you already have entered a path, the directory the
> path is pointing to.
>
> So if you don't get an completion then there isn't any program that
> begins with 'lilypond' in the directory
>

I do get completion for three programs starting with lilypond. IIRC,
lilypond.exe, lilypond-book.exe and lilypond-windows.exe. I got these
while I was in a different directory, since that directory, as I wrote,
is in the PATH.

So the question is why lilypond-invoke-editor is not considered as a
program by Windows shell.
Perhaps because it does not end with .exe? Should it be made executable?
I don't know Windows at all...

[Aaron Hill]

On 2018-07-05 22:35, Federico Bruni wrote:
> So the question is why lilypond-invoke-editor is not considered as a
> program by Windows shell.
> Perhaps because it does not end with .exe? Should it be made
> executable?
> I don't know Windows at all...

`lilypond-invoke-editor` is intended to be interpreted by Guile; but
since it has no file extension, Windows cannot invoke an associated
program. You should be able to wrap it up with a command shell script
easily enough...

lilypond-invoke-editor.cmd:
@ECHO OFF
SETLOCAL
SET LILYPOND_BIN=C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin
"%LILYPOND_BIN%\guile" -e main "%LILYPOND_BIN%\lilypond-invoke-editor"
%*

I should warn that I have not tested this, as I do not have an
installation of LilyPond on Windows. But, the principle should be
sound.

-- Aaron Hill

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno ven 6 lug 2018 alle 14:59, Aaron Hill
<***@hillvisions.com> ha scritto:
> On 2018-07-05 22:35, Federico Bruni wrote:
>> So the question is why lilypond-invoke-editor is not considered as a
>> program by Windows shell.
>> Perhaps because it does not end with .exe? Should it be made
>> executable?
>> I don't know Windows at all...
>
> `lilypond-invoke-editor` is intended to be interpreted by Guile; but
> since it has no file extension, Windows cannot invoke an associated
> program. You should be able to wrap it up with a command shell
> script easily enough...
>
> lilypond-invoke-editor.cmd:
> @ECHO OFF
> SETLOCAL
> SET LILYPOND_BIN=C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin
> "%LILYPOND_BIN%\guile" -e main
> "%LILYPOND_BIN%\lilypond-invoke-editor" %*
>
> I should warn that I have not tested this, as I do not have an
> installation of LilyPond on Windows. But, the principle should be
> sound.
>
>

I first tried the command on PowerShell:

PS C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin> guile.exe -e main
lilypond-invoke-editor
ERROR: In procedure dynamic-link:
ERROR: file: "libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3", message: "can't open the
module"

I see that this problem was already reported:
http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/GUB-guile-fails-to-open-lilypond-invoke-editor-script-td81139.html

By default, GUILE_LOAD_PATH is not set.
If I set it in current shell:

PS C:\Users\fede> $env:GUILE_LOAD_PATH="C:\Program Files
(x86)\LilyPond\usr\share\guile\1.8"
PS C:\Users\fede> Get-ChildItem Env:GUILE_LOAD_PATH

Name Value
---- -----
GUILE_LOAD_PATH C:\Program Files
(x86)\LilyPond\usr\share\guile\1.8


I get the same error.


PS Vaguely related:
https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/2279/

[Federico Bruni]

Aaron, that your .cmd script makes sure that lilypond-invoke-editor is
seen by PowerShell, but of course below problem is not solved:

PS C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin> .\lilypond-invoke-editor
ERROR: In procedure dynamic-link:
ERROR: file: "libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3", message: "can't open the
module"


Il giorno ven 6 lug 2018 alle 18:36, Federico Bruni
<***@inventati.org> ha scritto:
>
>
> Il giorno ven 6 lug 2018 alle 14:59, Aaron Hill
> <***@hillvisions.com> ha scritto:
>> On 2018-07-05 22:35, Federico Bruni wrote:
>>> So the question is why lilypond-invoke-editor is not considered as a
>>> program by Windows shell.
>>> Perhaps because it does not end with .exe? Should it be made
>>> executable?
>>> I don't know Windows at all...
>>
>> `lilypond-invoke-editor` is intended to be interpreted by Guile; but
>> since it has no file extension, Windows cannot invoke an associated
>> program. You should be able to wrap it up with a command shell
>> script easily enough...
>>
>> lilypond-invoke-editor.cmd:
>> @ECHO OFF
>> SETLOCAL
>> SET LILYPOND_BIN=C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin
>> "%LILYPOND_BIN%\guile" -e main
>> "%LILYPOND_BIN%\lilypond-invoke-editor" %*
>>
>> I should warn that I have not tested this, as I do not have an
>> installation of LilyPond on Windows. But, the principle should be
>> sound.
>>
>>
>
> I first tried the command on PowerShell:
>
> PS C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin> guile.exe -e main
> lilypond-invoke-editor
> ERROR: In procedure dynamic-link:
> ERROR: file: "libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3", message: "can't open the
> module"
>
> I see that this problem was already reported:
> http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/GUB-guile-fails-to-open-lilypond-invoke-editor-script-td81139.html
>
> By default, GUILE_LOAD_PATH is not set.
> If I set it in current shell:
>
> PS C:\Users\fede> $env:GUILE_LOAD_PATH="C:\Program Files
> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\share\guile\1.8"
> PS C:\Users\fede> Get-ChildItem Env:GUILE_LOAD_PATH
>
> Name Value
> ---- -----
> GUILE_LOAD_PATH C:\Program Files
> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\share\guile\1.8
>
>
> I get the same error.
>
>
> PS Vaguely related:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/2279/
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> lilypond-user mailing list
> lilypond-***@gnu.org
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

[Hans Åberg]

> On 3 Jul 2018, at 18:47, Zone Dremik <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> After a recent upgrade to my computer, the function that links music notes (and lyrics) in the PDF viewer, to the text in the Lilypond files, has stopped working.
>
> The ability to click on notes and lyrics in the preview screen, and have the exact point highlighted in the corresponding Lilypond file was so enormously useful, that the loss of this function has become a great barrier to efficient use of the program.
>
> I am using Lilypond Version 2.18.2-1
> Apple Macintosh System 10.11.6
> Apple Preview Version 8.1 (877.7)

It might be Preview that is broken, because I can take the links in PDF from a text editor and run them in Terminal, and then it works. You can try this by using the Terminal command
less <file>.pdf
answer 'yes' to open a binary, hit <space> until you see a link of the form
textedit:///Users/.../<file>.ly:40:2:3
Copy such a link, and run
open textedit:///Users/.../<file>.ly:40:2:3
On my computer, the LilyPond app opens, and the text is selected.

[Knut Petersen]

Am 03.07.2018 um 18:47 schrieb Zone Dremik:
> Hello,
> After a recent upgrade to my computer, the function that links music notes (and lyrics) in the PDF viewer, to the text in the Lilypond files, has stopped working.
>
> The ability to click on notes and lyrics in the preview screen, and have the exact point highlighted in the corresponding Lilypond file was so enormously useful, that the loss of this function has become a great barrier to efficient use of the program.
>
> I am using Lilypond Version 2.18.2-1
> Apple Macintosh System 10.11.6
> Apple Preview Version 8.1 (877.7)

Nothing has changed in lilypond 2.18.2-1, you have to configure your system to handle the textedit links lilypond inserts in the pdf.

Be aware of the fact that lilypond-invoke-editor, the script that handles textedit links in lilypond, is insecure.
The problem has been fixed in recent versions of lilypond.

Knut

[Federico Bruni]

Yes, it's possible that LilyPond application for Mac may become
incompatible with recent Mac versions.
Please keep the list in Cc, as I'm not a Mac user and cannot help you.

Il giorno gio 5 lug 2018 alle 9:02, Zone Dremik <***@yahoo.com>
ha scritto:
> I am not using a text editor at all. For the last nine years, I have
> been running the Lilypond application through the standard Macintosh
> GUI. I have never needed to use any command line functions, or
> interact with any helper scripts or apps. (I don't actually see any
> other process running other than the Lilypond app).
>
> The app has always created, saved, and compiled the files containing
> the lilypond code ( with .ly extension). When the output PDF is
> created, Lilypond communicates with the operating system to open the
> PDF in the Apple Brand PDF viewer called PREVIEW.
> Clicking the notes in preview would normally cause the corresponding
> .ly file to open in Lilypond, with the specific code highlighted
> within the text.
>
> It has worked beautifully all these years, through several Mac system
> upgrades.
>
> However, I see from the Lilypond download page that the most recent
> system support is for Mac OS 10.4, while the current system is up to
> OS 13.0 is it possible that Lilypond is becoming incompatible with
> Apple products?
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 7/3/18, Federico Bruni <***@inventati.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Interactive PDF Link to Notes in Preview
> To: "Zone Dremik" <***@yahoo.com>
> Cc: lilypond-***@gnu.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018, 2:14 PM
>
>
>
> Il
> giorno mar 3 lug 2018 alle 20:04, Federico Bruni
> <***@inventati.org>
> ha scritto:
> > Hello Zon
> >
> > Il giorno mar 3 lug
> 2018 alle 18:47, Zone Dremik
> > <***@yahoo.com>
> ha scritto:
> >> Hello,
> >> After a recent upgrade to my computer,
> the function that links music
> >>
> notes (and lyrics) in the PDF viewer, to the text in the
> Lilypond
> >> files, has stopped
> working.
> >>
> >
> > Which text editor are you using?
> > How did you set your system to enable
> point-and-click? In other
> > words,
> what's the command you assigned to the EDITOR or
> LYEDITOR
> > variables?
> >
> > Read:
> >
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/configuring-the-system-for-point-and-click.html
> >
> > (this page was
> changed recently, but the change has not been released
> > yet)
> >
>
> Sorry, it's written in the
> subject: it's Notes.
>
> I'm not a Mac user and cannot help much.
> You should check if Notes supports opening a
> file in a precise location
> (line and
> column) and see what's the correct syntax to use.
>
> Are you sure it used to work
> with Notes in the past or you are making
> confusion with something else?
>
> I may help if you want to use
> editors which can run on multiple
> operating
> systems, including Linux.
>
> The patch I mentioned before is here:
>
> https://codereview.appspot.com/357720043/diff/1/Documentation/usage/external.itely
>
>
>
>

[Ambrose Chan]

Hello,
After a recent upgrade to my computer, the function that links music notes
(and lyrics) in the PDF viewer, to the text in the Lilypond files, has
stopped working.

I believe the since Mac Os Sierra came around, Apple has discontinued the
ability for users to click notes on the music in Preview. I ran in to the
same problem a while back. So, I have been using the app called Skim that
works with note clicking.



--
Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html

[Mats Behre]

On 2018-07-03 18:47, Zone Dremik wrote:
> Hello,
> After a recent upgrade to my computer, the function that links music notes (and lyrics) in the PDF viewer, to the text in the Lilypond files, has stopped working.
>
> The ability to click on notes and lyrics in the preview screen, and have the exact point highlighted in the corresponding Lilypond file was so enormously useful, that the loss of this function has become a great barrier to efficient use of the program.
>
> I am using Lilypond Version 2.18.2-1
> Apple Macintosh System 10.11.6
> Apple Preview Version 8.1 (877.7)
I don't think I have ever managed to get this to work with Preview, and my first attempt was way before Sierra, so I'm not sure it has ever worked. (10.11 is El Capitan, by the way ...)
I have used Acrobat Reader instead, but Preview updates the page when you rebuild, with Acrobat doesn't, so it's not ideal. Others have mentioned Skim, perhaps that's something to take a look at.

/mb

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno sab 7 lug 2018 alle 10:26, Mats Behre
<"mats.behre"@telia.com> ha scritto:
> On 2018-07-03 18:47, Zone Dremik wrote:
>> Hello,
>> After a recent upgrade to my computer, the function that links music
>> notes (and lyrics) in the PDF viewer, to the text in the Lilypond
>> files, has stopped working.
>>
>> The ability to click on notes and lyrics in the preview screen, and
>> have the exact point highlighted in the corresponding Lilypond file
>> was so enormously useful, that the loss of this function has become
>> a great barrier to efficient use of the program.
>>
>> I am using Lilypond Version 2.18.2-1
>> Apple Macintosh System 10.11.6
>> Apple Preview Version 8.1 (877.7)
> I don't think I have ever managed to get this to work with Preview,
> and my first attempt was way before Sierra, so I'm not sure it has
> ever worked. (10.11 is El Capitan, by the way ...)
> I have used Acrobat Reader instead, but Preview updates the page when
> you rebuild, with Acrobat doesn't, so it's not ideal. Others have
> mentioned Skim, perhaps that's something to take a look at.
>

Today I had the chance to try my father's Mac.
I confirm that Acrobat Reader follows the textedit URIs and open the
LilyPond app, but cannot refresh the document when the file is updated.
I've read that this feature is only in the Pro version.

Ok, let's forget about proprietary software.
I've now installed Skim reader, which works great:

- it opens LilyPond app when you click on the notes
- it's opened by LilyPond app when you compile the music, if you set
Skim as default PDF viewer
- you can set automatic refresh in the preferences

Now the last thing I'd like to change is the application to launch: I
want to replace the (primitive) LilyPond app with a more modern text
editor.
Does anybody know how to do it?

I guess I'll write a small post on lilypondblog.org if I manage to get
all working.

Thanks
Federico

[Zone Dremik]

Click-to-View was such a valuable feature. I could click on notes, chord symbols or lyrics, and the URI link would open the correct .ly file and highlight the exact text-code. (My oldest files date from 2009. I've been enjoying this feature a long time, and really miss it.)

This was with Mac OS 10.8.6 (Mountain Lion). I upgraded last month to OS 11 (El Capitan)

I would be interested to know how other users make corrections to the scores they have typeset. I am not enjoying the need to read through all the text to fix wrong notes and typos. (I have many!)

Switching to Skim or another PDF viewer is a logical suggestion. I would appreciate hearing from any users who who can verify whether the URIs properly. I suspect Apple is now suppressing any links and scripts embedded in PDFs for security reasons.


--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 7/7/18, Mats Behre <***@telia.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: Interactive PDF Link to Notes in Preview
To: "Zone Dremik" <***@yahoo.com>, lilypond-***@gnu.org
Date: Saturday, July 7, 2018, 4:26 AM

On 2018-07-03 18:47, Zone Dremik
wrote:
> Hello,
> After a recent
upgrade to my computer, the function that links music notes
(and lyrics) in the PDF viewer, to the text in the Lilypond
files, has stopped working.
>
> The ability to click on notes and lyrics
in the preview screen, and have the exact point highlighted
in the corresponding Lilypond file was so enormously useful,
that the loss of this function has become a great barrier to
efficient use of the program.
>
> I am using Lilypond Version 2.18.2-1
> Apple Macintosh System 10.11.6
> Apple Preview Version 8.1 (877.7)
I don't think I have ever managed to get
this to work with Preview, and my first attempt was way
before Sierra, so I'm not sure it has ever worked.
(10.11 is El Capitan, by the way ...)
I have
used Acrobat Reader instead, but Preview updates the page
when you rebuild, with Acrobat doesn't, so it's not
ideal. Others have mentioned Skim, perhaps that's
something to take a look at.

/mb

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi all,

> I would be interested to know how other users make corrections to the scores they have typeset. […] Switching to Skim or another PDF viewer is a logical suggestion.

Skim works great for me.

Hope this helps!
Kieren.
________________________________

Kieren MacMillan, composer
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: ***@kierenmacmillan.info

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno sab 7 lug 2018 alle 18:49, Kieren MacMillan
<***@sympatico.ca> ha scritto:
> Hi all,
>
>> I would be interested to know how other users make corrections to
>> the scores they have typeset. […] Switching to Skim or another PDF
>> viewer is a logical suggestion.
>
> Skim works great for me.
>

Kieren, I can't believe you use the text edito bundled in the LilyPond
app! :-)
Which text editor are you using?
How did you set Skim to open the editor you want?

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Federico,

> Kieren, I can't believe you use the text edito bundled in the LilyPond app! :-)
> Which text editor are you using?

Frescobaldi.

> How did you set Skim to open the editor you want?

I just manually launch the PDF in Skim once, and place it on my second screen (Frescobaldi takes up the first screen). After that, Skim automatically updates whenever Frescobaldi finishes compiling the PDF.

Cheers,
Kieren.
________________________________

Kieren MacMillan, composer
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: ***@kierenmacmillan.info

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno sab 7 lug 2018 alle 19:05, Kieren MacMillan
<***@sympatico.ca> ha scritto:
> Hi Federico,
>
>> Kieren, I can't believe you use the text edito bundled in the
>> LilyPond app! :-)
>> Which text editor are you using?
>
> Frescobaldi.
>
>> How did you set Skim to open the editor you want?
>
> I just manually launch the PDF in Skim once, and place it on my
> second screen (Frescobaldi takes up the first screen). After that,
> Skim automatically updates whenever Frescobaldi finishes compiling
> the PDF.
>

So you are not using point-and-click from Skim to Frescobaldi, right?
(it's the original subject of this discussion)

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Federico,

> So you are not using point-and-click from Skim to Frescobaldi, right? (it's the original subject of this discussion)

Ah! No… I use Skim for previewing, zooming in/out, pagination checks, etc. — it’s so much better than Frescobaldi’s previewer — and then use Frescobaldi’s previewer for point-and-click navigation. That combo works great for me, though I suppose I'd be even happier if either Skim linked back to the Frescobaldi code, or Frescobaldi’s PDF viewer were better.

Sorry for the noise!
Kieren.
________________________________

Kieren MacMillan, composer
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: ***@kierenmacmillan.info

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno sab 7 lug 2018 alle 19:10, Kieren MacMillan
<***@sympatico.ca> ha scritto:
> Hi Federico,
>
>> So you are not using point-and-click from Skim to Frescobaldi,
>> right? (it's the original subject of this discussion)
>
> Ah! No… I use Skim for previewing, zooming in/out, pagination
> checks, etc. — it’s so much better than Frescobaldi’s previewer
> — and then use Frescobaldi’s previewer for point-and-click
> navigation. That combo works great for me, though I suppose I'd be
> even happier if either Skim linked back to the Frescobaldi code, or
> Frescobaldi’s PDF viewer were better.
>

I've investigated a bit.
It does not depend on Skim:
https://sourceforge.net/p/skim-app/mailman/message/32211547/

This app:
http://www.rubicode.com/Software/RCDefaultApp/

allows to associate a command to textedit URLs.
I may assign lilypond-invoke-editor, but it doesn't work in Mac. A GUB
issue¹, so I'm not optimist about a possible solution.

I wonder how the LilyPond app manages to pass the right command to open
the URLS.
I've grepped textedit in the LilyPond.App dir and found something in
the .plist file, but again it's too much for my first day as a
temporary Mac user :-)


¹ Problems with lilypond-invoke-editor in Mac:

1. Wrong shebang:
$ head
/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin//lilypond-invoke-editor
#!/home/gub/NewGub/gub/target/tools/root/usr/bin/guile -s
!#
;;;; lilypond-invoke-editor.scm -- Invoke an editor in file:line:column
mode

2. GUILE_LOAD_PATH must be manually set in ~/.profile

3. libguile error (I haven't solved this)
$ lilypond-invoke-editor
ERROR: In procedure dynamic-link:
ERROR: file: "libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3", message: "file not found"

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno dom 8 lug 2018 alle 0:47, Federico Bruni <***@inventati.org>
ha scritto:
>
>
> Il giorno sab 7 lug 2018 alle 19:10, Kieren MacMillan
> <***@sympatico.ca> ha scritto:
>> Hi Federico,
>>
>>> So you are not using point-and-click from Skim to Frescobaldi,
>>> right? (it's the original subject of this discussion)
>>
>> Ah! No… I use Skim for previewing, zooming in/out, pagination
>> checks, etc. — it’s so much better than Frescobaldi’s
>> previewer — and then use Frescobaldi’s previewer for
>> point-and-click navigation. That combo works great for me, though I
>> suppose I'd be even happier if either Skim linked back to the
>> Frescobaldi code, or Frescobaldi’s PDF viewer were better.
>>
>
> I've investigated a bit.
> It does not depend on Skim:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/skim-app/mailman/message/32211547/
>
> This app:
> http://www.rubicode.com/Software/RCDefaultApp/
>
> allows to associate a command to textedit URLs.
> I may assign lilypond-invoke-editor, but it doesn't work in Mac. A
> GUB issue¹, so I'm not optimist about a possible solution.
>
>
> ¹ Problems with lilypond-invoke-editor in Mac:
>
> 1. Wrong shebang:
> $ head
> /Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin//lilypond-invoke-editor
> #!/home/gub/NewGub/gub/target/tools/root/usr/bin/guile -s
> !#
> ;;;; lilypond-invoke-editor.scm -- Invoke an editor in
> file:line:column mode
>

The shebang should be replaced with the full path to the real Mac
installation, that is:

#!/Applications/LilyPond.App/Contents/Resources/bin/guile -s
!#

After that (and fixing the paths, see below), I can run
lilypond-invoke-editor in the terminal, but only without the textedit
URI.

> 2. GUILE_LOAD_PATH must be manually set in ~/.profile
>
> 3. libguile error (I haven't solved this)
> $ lilypond-invoke-editor
> ERROR: In procedure dynamic-link:
> ERROR: file: "libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3", message: "file not found"
>

I solved this issue by working on some variables:

$ cat .profile
export
PATH="$PATH:/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin:/Applications/Atom.app/Contents/MacOS"

export
GUILE_LOAD_PATH="/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/guile/1.8:/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/lilypond/current/scm"
export
LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"

export LYEDITOR="atom %(file)s:%(line)s:%(column)s"


Now I'm stuck on the same error I get also on Windows:

ERROR: no code for module (scm editor)

editor.scm is in the directory added to the GUILE_LOAD_PATH environment
variable.
Why it cannot find it?

[Mats Behre]

On 2018-07-07 18:54, Federico Bruni wrote:
>
>
> Il giorno sab 7 lug 2018 alle 18:49, Kieren MacMillan <***@sympatico.ca> ha scritto:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>>  I would be interested to know how other users make corrections to the scores they have typeset. […] Switching to Skim or another PDF viewer is a logical suggestion.
>>
>> Skim works great for me.
>>
>
> Kieren, I can't believe you use the text edito bundled in the LilyPond app! :-)
> Which text editor are you using?
> How did you set Skim to open the editor you want?
>

I found this: https://superuser.com/questions/548119/how-do-i-configure-custom-url-handlers-on-os-x and downloaded SwiftDefaultApps. It works on High Sierra, don't know about El Capitan, but if not it seems that RCDefaultApp should do the trick for you.

/mb

[Mason Hock]

On 07/07, Zone Dremik wrote:
> Click-to-View was such a valuable feature. I could click on notes, chord symbols or lyrics, and the URI link would open the correct .ly file and highlight the exact text-code. (My oldest files date from 2009. I've been enjoying this feature a long time, and really miss it.)

Have you tried Frescobaldi?

[Peter Engelbert]

If you're looking to have this feature work, and are running linux, I was only able to do it by building an older version of xpdf (for the pdf viewer) and using GVim (not regular Vim) for the point and click feature. It still works but it seems the feature hasn't been updated since most people use Frescobaldi. I much prefer Vim

Peter

On Sat, Jul 07, 2018 at 11:10:08AM -0700, Mason Hock wrote:
> On 07/07, Zone Dremik wrote:
> > Click-to-View was such a valuable feature. I could click on notes, chord symbols or lyrics, and the URI link would open the correct .ly file and highlight the exact text-code. (My oldest files date from 2009. I've been enjoying this feature a long time, and really miss it.)
>
> Have you tried Frescobaldi?



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[David Kastrup]

Peter Engelbert <***@gmail.com> writes:

> If you're looking to have this feature work, and are running linux, I
> was only able to do it by building an older version of xpdf (for the
> pdf viewer) and using GVim (not regular Vim) for the point and click
> feature. It still works but it seems the feature hasn't been updated
> since most people use Frescobaldi. I much prefer Vim

Huh? Should work with anything you put in the EDITOR variable really.
Use it with emacsclient myself and a current version of Xpdf on Ubuntu.
I think it would also work with Evince et al (following instructions in
UG) but haven't tried recently. Let me try:

Ok, refuses due to "permissions" in Evince, works in Atril. Checking
the Evince setup according to UG... It's set up like described. But it
would appear like since I am not running GNOME actually (but xfce4) that
Evince is missing its infrastructure. Like gnome-open or gvfs-open.

--
David Kastrup

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno sab 7 lug 2018 alle 21:32, David Kastrup <***@gnu.org> ha
scritto:
> Peter Engelbert <***@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> If you're looking to have this feature work, and are running linux,
>> I
>> was only able to do it by building an older version of xpdf (for the
>> pdf viewer) and using GVim (not regular Vim) for the point and click
>> feature. It still works but it seems the feature hasn't been
>> updated
>> since most people use Frescobaldi. I much prefer Vim
>
> Huh? Should work with anything you put in the EDITOR variable really.
> Use it with emacsclient myself and a current version of Xpdf on
> Ubuntu.
> I think it would also work with Evince et al (following instructions
> in
> UG) but haven't tried recently. Let me try:
>
> Ok, refuses due to "permissions" in Evince, works in Atril. Checking
> the Evince setup according to UG... It's set up like described. But
> it
> would appear like since I am not running GNOME actually (but xfce4)
> that
> Evince is missing its infrastructure. Like gnome-open or gvfs-open.
>

Evince works out of the box (without the need of any further
configuration) in recent GNOME.

[Federico Bruni]

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[Mats Behre]

On 2018-07-08 19:56, Federico Bruni wrote:
>
> I found this: https://superuser.com/questions/548119/how-do-i-configure-custom-url-handlers-on-os-x and downloaded SwiftDefaultApps. It works on High Sierra, don't know about El Capitan, but if not it seems that RCDefaultApp should do the trick for you.
>
> Can you be more specific?
> What do you mean with "it works"?
> Which command did you assign for textedit protocol?
>
> Yesterday I read a similar answer and installed RVDefaultApp. Now I can set which application should open textedit:// URIs.
> However I cannot set the text editor directly, as the text editor cannot handle this protocol.
>
> I guess I should use lilypond-invoke-editor but, as I've already reported, I could not make it work on either Mac or Windows.
>
> It looks like it's the last step to get what I want.
>

OK, then you are in more or less the same situation as me - you need a small helper app that takes the URI and invokes your editor.
I have a small AppleScript app which does this (I think I got the base for it from the LilyPond site ages ago):

roperty urlPrefix : "textedit://"

on replaceText(find, replace, subject)
set prevTIDs to text item delimiters of AppleScript
set text item delimiters of AppleScript to find
set subject to text items of subject

set text item delimiters of AppleScript to replace
set subject to "" & subject
set text item delimiters of AppleScript to prevTIDs

return subject
end replaceText

on open location texteditURL

-- strip prefix
set the character_count to the number of characters of the urlPrefix
set the emacsclientURL to (characters (the character_count + 1) thru -1 of the texteditURL) as string

-- extract PATH LINE and COLUMN
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ":"
set emacsclientPATH to first text item of emacsclientURL
set emacsclientLINE to second text item of emacsclientURL
set emacsclientCOLUMN to third text item of emacsclientURL
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ""

set emacsclientPATH to replaceText("%20", "\\ ", emacsclientPATH)

-- launch emacsclient
do shell script "/Applications/Eddie/tellEddie " & quoted form of emacsclientPATH & ":" & emacsclientLINE & ":" & emacsclientCOLUMN

end open location

My problem now is that SwiftDefaultApps silently fails to set this as the textedit target, possibly because my info.plist is too old (it has worked in the past):

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>CFBundleAllowMixedLocalizations</key>
<true/>
<key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key>
<string>English</string>
<key>CFBundleExecutable</key>
<string>applet</string>
<key>CFBundleIconFile</key>
<string>applet</string>
<key>CFBundleIdentifier</key>
<string>com.apple.ScriptEditor.id.1A1CE0AF-AC45-4636-9B72-8CBBFCDA88F5</string>
<key>CFBundleInfoDictionaryVersion</key>
<string>6.0</string>
<key>CFBundleName</key>
<string>lilypoint</string>
<key>CFBundlePackageType</key>
<string>APPL</string>
<key>CFBundleSignature</key>
<string>aplt</string>
<key>CFBundleURLTypes</key>
<array>
<dict>
<key>CFBundleTypeRole</key>
<string>Editor</string>
<key>CFBundleURLName</key>
<string>text editor via url</string>
<key>CFBundleURLSchemes</key>
<array>
<string>textedit</string>
</array>
</dict>
</array>
<key>LSMinimumSystemVersionByArchitecture</key>
<dict>
<key>x86_64</key>
<string>10.6</string>
</dict>
<key>LSRequiresCarbon</key>
<true/>
<key>WindowState</key>
<dict>
<key>bundleDividerCollapsed</key>
<true/>
<key>bundlePositionOfDivider</key>
<real>0.0</real>
<key>dividerCollapsed</key>
<false/>
<key>eventLogLevel</key>
<integer>2</integer>
<key>name</key>
<string>ScriptWindowState</string>
<key>positionOfDivider</key>
<real>680</real>
<key>savedFrame</key>
<string>1238 373 1015 944 0 0 2560 1417 </string>
<key>selectedTab</key>
<string>log</string>
</dict>
</dict>
</plist>

I have not yet had time to find out what the problem is - you may be luckier.

/mb

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno lun 9 lug 2018 alle 7:26, Mats Behre
<"mb.maillists"@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> On 2018-07-08 19:56, Federico Bruni wrote:
>>
>> I found this:
>> https://superuser.com/questions/548119/how-do-i-configure-custom-url-handlers-on-os-x
>> and downloaded SwiftDefaultApps. It works on High Sierra, don't know
>> about El Capitan, but if not it seems that RCDefaultApp should do
>> the trick for you.
>>
>> Can you be more specific?
>> What do you mean with "it works"?
>> Which command did you assign for textedit protocol?
>>
>> Yesterday I read a similar answer and installed RVDefaultApp. Now I
>> can set which application should open textedit:// URIs.
>> However I cannot set the text editor directly, as the text editor
>> cannot handle this protocol.
>>
>> I guess I should use lilypond-invoke-editor but, as I've already
>> reported, I could not make it work on either Mac or Windows.
>>
>> It looks like it's the last step to get what I want.
>>
>
> OK, then you are in more or less the same situation as me - you need
> a small helper app that takes the URI and invokes your editor.
> I have a small AppleScript app which does this (I think I got the
> base for it from the LilyPond site ages ago):
>

Ok, good to know there may be a solution.
I don't have a Mac to test it until Wednesday/Thursday, but I will make
a try this week.

> roperty urlPrefix : "textedit://"
>
> on replaceText(find, replace, subject)
> set prevTIDs to text item delimiters of AppleScript
> set text item delimiters of AppleScript to find
> set subject to text items of subject
>
> set text item delimiters of AppleScript to replace
> set subject to "" & subject
> set text item delimiters of AppleScript to prevTIDs
>
> return subject
> end replaceText
>
> on open location texteditURL
>
> -- strip prefix
> set the character_count to the number of characters of the urlPrefix
> set the emacsclientURL to (characters (the character_count + 1) thru
> -1 of the texteditURL) as string
>
> -- extract PATH LINE and COLUMN
> set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ":"
> set emacsclientPATH to first text item of emacsclientURL
> set emacsclientLINE to second text item of emacsclientURL
> set emacsclientCOLUMN to third text item of emacsclientURL
> set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ""
>
> set emacsclientPATH to replaceText("%20", "\\ ", emacsclientPATH)
>
> -- launch emacsclient
> do shell script "/Applications/Eddie/tellEddie " & quoted form of
> emacsclientPATH & ":" & emacsclientLINE & ":" & emacsclientCOLUMN
>
> end open location
>

As the syntax is not Emacs, I guess that Eddie is the editor you want
to use and all the emacsclient variables are just the variables you
took from the original example. (BTW, I don't think you found it on
lilypond website)


> My problem now is that SwiftDefaultApps silently fails to set this as
> the textedit target, possibly because my info.plist is too old (it
> has worked in the past):
>


This is the info.plist of which application? Eddie?

Have you tried other text editors?
You may try Atom (see atom.io website). Its syntax (not yet documented)
is the same as above example: `atom file:line:column`.


> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN"
> "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
> <plist version="1.0">
> <dict>
> <key>CFBundleAllowMixedLocalizations</key>
> <true/>
> <key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key>
> <string>English</string>
> <key>CFBundleExecutable</key>
> <string>applet</string>
> <key>CFBundleIconFile</key>
> <string>applet</string>
> <key>CFBundleIdentifier</key>
> <string>com.apple.ScriptEditor.id.1A1CE0AF-AC45-4636-9B72-8CBBFCDA88F5</string>
> <key>CFBundleInfoDictionaryVersion</key>
> <string>6.0</string>
> <key>CFBundleName</key>
> <string>lilypoint</string>
> <key>CFBundlePackageType</key>
> <string>APPL</string>
> <key>CFBundleSignature</key>
> <string>aplt</string>
> <key>CFBundleURLTypes</key>
> <array>
> <dict>
> <key>CFBundleTypeRole</key>
> <string>Editor</string>
> <key>CFBundleURLName</key>
> <string>text editor via url</string>
> <key>CFBundleURLSchemes</key>
> <array>
> <string>textedit</string>
> </array>
> </dict>
> </array>
> <key>LSMinimumSystemVersionByArchitecture</key>
> <dict>
> <key>x86_64</key>
> <string>10.6</string>
> </dict>
> <key>LSRequiresCarbon</key>
> <true/>
> <key>WindowState</key>
> <dict>
> <key>bundleDividerCollapsed</key>
> <true/>
> <key>bundlePositionOfDivider</key>
> <real>0.0</real>
> <key>dividerCollapsed</key>
> <false/>
> <key>eventLogLevel</key>
> <integer>2</integer>
> <key>name</key>
> <string>ScriptWindowState</string>
> <key>positionOfDivider</key>
> <real>680</real>
> <key>savedFrame</key>
> <string>1238 373 1015 944 0 0 2560 1417 </string>
> <key>selectedTab</key>
> <string>log</string>
> </dict>
> </dict>
> </plist>
>
> I have not yet had time to find out what the problem is - you may be
> luckier.
>
> /mb

[Mats Behre]

On 2018-07-09 07:56, Federico Bruni wrote:
>>
>
> As the syntax is not Emacs, I guess that Eddie is the editor you want to use and all the emacsclient variables are just the variables you took from the original example. (BTW, I don't think you found it on lilypond website)
>

You're guessing right.
And where I got it - who knows ... If I'd written it from scratch I wouldn't have called the variables emacs :-) so obviously I found it somewhere, but never mind that.

>
>> My problem now is that SwiftDefaultApps silently fails to set this as the textedit target, possibly because my info.plist is too old (it has worked in the past):
>>
>
>
> This is the info.plist of which application? Eddie?

No, of the helper app. Back when I did this that was a (the?) way to tell the OS that this app handled the textedit URI, but now that I've tested some more it appears that it isn't necessary (anymore?) - I could just create a new AppleScript app and add it in SwiftDefaultApps (I'm not sure exactly what I did to make the adding work though, and I'm not totally convinced that SwiftDefaultApps is bug-free).

One thing I had to change in the script was quoting, see below. I removed the backslash from the space and replaced %2b with an actual plus, because I have one in my path. It's possible that there's some more generic way to translate from the URL encoding, but now it works for me. (And by works I mean that the editor is open with the cursor at the selected note.)
... and then I had to override the security setting for Eddie so it was allowed to be started (it is not created by an 'identified developer').

property urlPrefix : "textedit://"

on replaceText(find, replace, subject)
set prevTIDs to text item delimiters of AppleScript
set text item delimiters of AppleScript to find
set subject to text items of subject

set text item delimiters of AppleScript to replace
set subject to "" & subject
set text item delimiters of AppleScript to prevTIDs

return subject
end replaceText

on open location texteditURL

-- strip prefix
set the character_count to the number of characters of the urlPrefix
set the emacsclientURL to (characters (the character_count + 1) thru -1 of the texteditURL) as string

-- extract PATH LINE and COLUMN
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ":"
set emacsclientPATH to first text item of emacsclientURL
set emacsclientLINE to second text item of emacsclientURL
set emacsclientCOLUMN to third text item of emacsclientURL
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ""

set emacsclientPATH to replaceText("%20", " ", emacsclientPATH)
set emacsclientPATH to replaceText("%2b", "+", emacsclientPATH)

-- launch emacsclient
do shell script "/Applications/Eddie/tellEddie " & quoted form of emacsclientPATH & ":" & emacsclientLINE & ":" & emacsclientCOLUMN

end open location

Good luck,
Mats

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno lun 9 lug 2018 alle 20:32, Mats Behre
<"mb.maillists"@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> On 2018-07-09 07:56, Federico Bruni wrote:
>>>
>>
>> As the syntax is not Emacs, I guess that Eddie is the editor you
>> want to use and all the emacsclient variables are just the variables
>> you took from the original example. (BTW, I don't think you found it
>> on lilypond website)
>>
>
> You're guessing right.
> And where I got it - who knows ... If I'd written it from scratch I
> wouldn't have called the variables emacs :-) so obviously I found it
> somewhere, but never mind that.
>

Found. We must thank Christopher:
http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Lilypond-working-on-Mac-OS-X-10-5-thanks-td33136.html


>>
>>> My problem now is that SwiftDefaultApps silently fails to set this
>>> as the textedit target, possibly because my info.plist is too old
>>> (it has worked in the past):
>>>
>>
>>
>> This is the info.plist of which application? Eddie?
>
> No, of the helper app. Back when I did this that was a (the?) way to
> tell the OS that this app handled the textedit URI, but now that I've
> tested some more it appears that it isn't necessary (anymore?) - I
> could just create a new AppleScript app and add it in
> SwiftDefaultApps (I'm not sure exactly what I did to make the adding
> work though, and I'm not totally convinced that SwiftDefaultApps is
> bug-free).
>
> One thing I had to change in the script was quoting, see below. I
> removed the backslash from the space and replaced %2b with an actual
> plus, because I have one in my path. It's possible that there's some
> more generic way to translate from the URL encoding, but now it works
> for me. (And by works I mean that the editor is open with the cursor
> at the selected note.)

Great news!
I'll give it a try as soon as I have the chance.

[Aaron Hill]

Hi folks,

The original discussion was MacOS-focused, but it got me thinking about
the Windows side of life. I run a bit of an odd setup where I use the
Windows Subsystem for Linux and have LilyPond installed there, but I do
all my editing in Windows with Visual Studio Code. This setup works
fine except for point-n-click, which is not something I usually needed.
But reading this thread made me realize that I have been missing a
useful productivity aid, so I sought to get it working.

Custom URL handling in Windows is pretty easy to set up. You just need
to do a little registry modification, and it doesn't even require
rebooting. Here is a registry file that will enable textedit for the
current user:

textedit.reg:
====
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\textedit]
"URL Protocol"=""
@="URL:textedit"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\textedit\shell]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\textedit\shell\open]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\textedit\shell\open\command]
@="C:\\Tools\\textedit\\textedit.cmd %1"
====

At this point, Windows will now know to execute a command when it
encounters a textedit URL. Here is the command script that I am using:

textedit.cmd:
====
@ECHO OFF
SETLOCAL
SET CODE=/mnt/c/Program\ Files/Microsoft\ VS\ Code/bin/code
SET URL=vscode://file/`/bin/wslpath -m
%%(file)s`:%%(line)s:%%(column)s
SET ENV=/usr/bin/env -i LYEDITOR='%CODE% --open-url %URL%'
SET CMD=/usr/local/bin/lilypond-invoke-editor %*
C:\Windows\System32\wsl.exe %ENV% %CMD%
====

Here I am using lilypond-invoke-editor with a custom LYEDITOR variable
so that it ends up launching my editor with the correct file path.
Despite the back and forth, it is pretty quick providing VS Code is
already running, where it only needs focus the editor and move the
cursor.

NOTE: There are hard-coded paths in both the registry file and command
script. You would need to adapt these to your own system.

Now I realize my setup is rather esoteric, but hopefully this
information can still be useful.

-- Aaron Hill

[Federico Bruni]

Hi Aaron

Thanks for the instructions!

I haven't had the time to properly test it yet.
I made a quick try now and not surprisingly (I'm not a Windows user)
did not work.

I have a few questions:

- have you used a multistring for Classes\textedit key? Otherwise you
cannot put the two lines. Does it have to have a special name?

- I guess that the CMD path to lilypond-invoke-editor is wrong (it
seems a Linux path). Should I use what PowerShell gcm finds for it?
Full paths are necessary, right?

- C:// becomes /mnt/c in cmd scripts?



Il giorno mar 10 lug 2018 alle 6:11, Aaron Hill
<***@hillvisions.com> ha scritto:
> Hi folks,
>
> The original discussion was MacOS-focused, but it got me thinking
> about the Windows side of life. I run a bit of an odd setup where I
> use the Windows Subsystem for Linux and have LilyPond installed
> there, but I do all my editing in Windows with Visual Studio Code.
> This setup works fine except for point-n-click, which is not
> something I usually needed. But reading this thread made me realize
> that I have been missing a useful productivity aid, so I sought to
> get it working.
>
> Custom URL handling in Windows is pretty easy to set up. You just
> need to do a little registry modification, and it doesn't even
> require rebooting. Here is a registry file that will enable textedit
> for the current user:
>
> textedit.reg:
> ====
> Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
>
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\textedit]
> "URL Protocol"=""
> @="URL:textedit"
>
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\textedit\shell]
>
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\textedit\shell\open]
>
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\textedit\shell\open\command]
> @="C:\\Tools\\textedit\\textedit.cmd %1"
> ====
>
> At this point, Windows will now know to execute a command when it
> encounters a textedit URL. Here is the command script that I am
> using:
>
> textedit.cmd:
> ====
> @ECHO OFF
> SETLOCAL
> SET CODE=/mnt/c/Program\ Files/Microsoft\ VS\ Code/bin/code
> SET URL=vscode://file/`/bin/wslpath -m
> %%(file)s`:%%(line)s:%%(column)s
> SET ENV=/usr/bin/env -i LYEDITOR='%CODE% --open-url %URL%'
> SET CMD=/usr/local/bin/lilypond-invoke-editor %*
> C:\Windows\System32\wsl.exe %ENV% %CMD%
> ====
>
> Here I am using lilypond-invoke-editor with a custom LYEDITOR
> variable so that it ends up launching my editor with the correct file
> path. Despite the back and forth, it is pretty quick providing VS
> Code is already running, where it only needs focus the editor and
> move the cursor.
>
> NOTE: There are hard-coded paths in both the registry file and
> command script. You would need to adapt these to your own system.
>
> Now I realize my setup is rather esoteric, but hopefully this
> information can still be useful.
>
> -- Aaron Hill
>
> _______________________________________________
> lilypond-user mailing list
> lilypond-***@gnu.org
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

[Aaron Hill]

On 2018-07-19 10:10, Federico Bruni wrote:
> I made a quick try now and not surprisingly (I'm not a Windows user)
> did not work.

This stuff is significantly advanced for the average Windows user.
Also, I would consider my approach here more akin to a hack or kludge.
For posterity, I will reiterate that my configuration is very unusual
and not representative of a typical Windows system. Unless you too are
running LilyPond via WSL and wanting to launch Visual Studio Code, then
do expect work on your side to adapt things for your needs.

> - have you used a multistring for Classes\textedit key? Otherwise you
> cannot put the two lines.

All strings are simple REG_SZ values. I am not sure what you mean by
"the two lines", so please clarify that so I can best advise.

> Does it have to have a special name?

I would lean towards "yes", but that is not something I can definitely
answer. Regardless of whether it is required or not, though, it would
be best to stick to a consistent naming throughout.

For your reference, I based my registry modification on an existing URI
protocol handler, specifically
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\vscode". I used regedit to export
that section of the registry to a file, modified the file as
appropriate, and then merged it back in. This simplified things since I
had a specific template to follow; also it was much faster than trying
to manually add keys via the GUI.

NOTE: If you do the same thing, be sure that you find and replace all
instances of "vscode" within the exported registry file with "textedit".
You do not want to accidentally modify the wrong part of the registry.

> - I guess that the CMD path to lilypond-invoke-editor is wrong (it
> seems a Linux path). Should I use what PowerShell gcm finds for it?

It must be a Linux-centric path because I am using WSL to launch it.
You could not use anything else. And PowerShell's Get-Command will not
return anything useful, as it has no vision into WSL. (Someone probably
has a PowerShell addon that addresses that.)

But keep in mind that I chose to install LilyPond to /usr/local/bin
which is the default location when you run the installation script with
`sudo`. You can, of course, install LilyPond to your local /home
directory if you choose. As such, you will need to adjust the path
accordingly.

> Full paths are necessary, right?

In my testing, I found full paths worked best, but they are not strictly
required in all cases. It really depends on your environment.

To avoid confusion, though, I chose to use full paths both to be as
specific as possible and to make sure it was clear what paths I had
hard-coded.

> - C:// becomes /mnt/c in cmd scripts?

Not as a strict rule, no. It all depends on what context you are
talking about. If you need to reference a Windows-based path from the
WSL environment, then you can use the default mount point of /mnt/c for
C:\. (Any other drive letters should have equivalent mount points.)
The built-in command `/bin/wslpath` can be useful for converting between
Linux-centric and Windows-centric paths. I am only using it, however,
as a convenient means to convert the paths LilyPond embeds in the PDF.

That said, remember that the command script executes within Windows, so
*it* needs to use Windows-based paths. Case in point, note that the
command to launch WSL itself uses its Windows path.

There is a lot of back-and-forth between Windows and WSL in the approach
I outlined. Understandably, there can be confusion. On reflection, I
was too terse in my email. But to be honest, I did not expect many
people would run with the idea. I figured I was probably the only
person using LilyPond via WSL and editing with VS Code.


-- Aaron Hill

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno gio 19 lug 2018 alle 22:15, Aaron Hill
<***@hillvisions.com> ha scritto:
> On 2018-07-19 10:10, Federico Bruni wrote:
>> I made a quick try now and not surprisingly (I'm not a Windows user)
>> did not work.
>
> This stuff is significantly advanced for the average Windows user.
> Also, I would consider my approach here more akin to a hack or
> kludge. For posterity, I will reiterate that my configuration is
> very unusual and not representative of a typical Windows system.
> Unless you too are running LilyPond via WSL and wanting to launch
> Visual Studio Code, then do expect work on your side to adapt things
> for your needs.
>
>> - have you used a multistring for Classes\textedit key? Otherwise you
>> cannot put the two lines.
>
> All strings are simple REG_SZ values. I am not sure what you mean by
> "the two lines", so please clarify that so I can best advise.
>

I was confused by the text you pasted.
I've now found this:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/389204/how-do-i-create-my-own-url-protocol-e-g-so

and I quickly managed to register the protocol.


>
>> - I guess that the CMD path to lilypond-invoke-editor is wrong (it
>> seems a Linux path). Should I use what PowerShell gcm finds for it?
>
> It must be a Linux-centric path because I am using WSL to launch it.
> You could not use anything else. And PowerShell's Get-Command will
> not return anything useful, as it has no vision into WSL. (Someone
> probably has a PowerShell addon that addresses that.)
>

Ok, I see.

I'd like to try not to use WSL, if possible.
I'm working on it and I might be close, but I need some help with
Scheme. I'll open a new thread...

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno lun 9 lug 2018 alle 7:26, Mats Behre
<"mb.maillists"@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> On 2018-07-08 19:56, Federico Bruni wrote:
>>
>> I found this:
>> https://superuser.com/questions/548119/how-do-i-configure-custom-url-handlers-on-os-x
>> and downloaded SwiftDefaultApps. It works on High Sierra, don't know
>> about El Capitan, but if not it seems that RCDefaultApp should do
>> the trick for you.
>>
>> Can you be more specific?
>> What do you mean with "it works"?
>> Which command did you assign for textedit protocol?
>>
>> Yesterday I read a similar answer and installed RVDefaultApp. Now I
>> can set which application should open textedit:// URIs.
>> However I cannot set the text editor directly, as the text editor
>> cannot handle this protocol.
>>
>> I guess I should use lilypond-invoke-editor but, as I've already
>> reported, I could not make it work on either Mac or Windows.
>>
>> It looks like it's the last step to get what I want.
>>
>
> OK, then you are in more or less the same situation as me - you need
> a small helper app that takes the URI and invokes your editor.
> I have a small AppleScript app which does this (I think I got the
> base for it from the LilyPond site ages ago):

You may simply use the same bash script that works in Linux:

$ ls -l /usr/local/bin/lilypond-invoke-editor
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 1 ago 16.06
/usr/local/bin/lilypond-invoke-editor ->
/usr/local/bin/lilypond-wrapper.guile

$ cat /usr/local/bin/lilypond-wrapper.guile
#!/bin/sh
export
PYTHONPATH="/usr/local/lilypond/usr/lib/lilypond/current/python:/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/python:$PYTHONPATH"
export GUILE_LOAD_PATH="/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current"
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/lilypond/usr/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"
me=`basename $0`
exec "/usr/local/lilypond/usr/bin/guile"
"/usr/local/lilypond/usr/bin/$me" "$@"

I adapted it above file to the correct path in Mac and I can now launch:

lilypond-invoke-editor textedit://path/to/file.ly:1:2:3

Last step left is how to tell the system to use lilypond-invoke-editor
to open textedit URIs.
I've created a new app containing the bash script to launch
lilypond-invoke-editor, but I cannot find a way to associate it to the
textedit URIs. See below.

>
>
> My problem now is that SwiftDefaultApps silently fails to set this as
> the textedit target, possibly because my info.plist is too old (it
> has worked in the past):
>

I got a silent fail also with RCDefaultApp.
Today I installed SwiftDefaultApps, but when I try to open it, it says
it doesn't work with Intel processors.

I tried a simplified version of below Info.plist (I copied, as you did,
the relevant part from LilyPond Info.plist).
Unfortunately I could not find an easy tutorial to write your own
Info.plist from scratch. It seems that normal procedure is building it
in Xcode...


> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN"
> "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
> <plist version="1.0">
> <dict>
> <key>CFBundleAllowMixedLocalizations</key>
> <true/>
> <key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key>
> <string>English</string>
> <key>CFBundleExecutable</key>
> <string>applet</string>
> <key>CFBundleIconFile</key>
> <string>applet</string>
> <key>CFBundleIdentifier</key>
> <string>com.apple.ScriptEditor.id.1A1CE0AF-AC45-4636-9B72-8CBBFCDA88F5</string>
> <key>CFBundleInfoDictionaryVersion</key>
> <string>6.0</string>
> <key>CFBundleName</key>
> <string>lilypoint</string>
> <key>CFBundlePackageType</key>
> <string>APPL</string>
> <key>CFBundleSignature</key>
> <string>aplt</string>
> <key>CFBundleURLTypes</key>
> <array>
> <dict>
> <key>CFBundleTypeRole</key>
> <string>Editor</string>
> <key>CFBundleURLName</key>
> <string>text editor via url</string>
> <key>CFBundleURLSchemes</key>
> <array>
> <string>textedit</string>
> </array>
> </dict>
> </array>
> <key>LSMinimumSystemVersionByArchitecture</key>
> <dict>
> <key>x86_64</key>
> <string>10.6</string>
> </dict>
> <key>LSRequiresCarbon</key>
> <true/>
> <key>WindowState</key>
> <dict>
> <key>bundleDividerCollapsed</key>
> <true/>
> <key>bundlePositionOfDivider</key>
> <real>0.0</real>
> <key>dividerCollapsed</key>
> <false/>
> <key>eventLogLevel</key>
> <integer>2</integer>
> <key>name</key>
> <string>ScriptWindowState</string>
> <key>positionOfDivider</key>
> <real>680</real>
> <key>savedFrame</key>
> <string>1238 373 1015 944 0 0 2560 1417 </string>
> <key>selectedTab</key>
> <string>log</string>
> </dict>
> </dict>
> </plist>
>
> I have not yet had time to find out what the problem is - you may be
> luckier.
>
> /mb

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno gio 2 ago 2018 alle 9:28, Federico Bruni <***@inventati.org>
ha scritto:
>
>
> Il giorno lun 9 lug 2018 alle 7:26, Mats Behre
> <"mb.maillists"@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>>
>>
>> My problem now is that SwiftDefaultApps silently fails to set this
>> as the textedit target, possibly because my info.plist is too old
>> (it has worked in the past):
>>
>
> I got a silent fail also with RCDefaultApp.
> Today I installed SwiftDefaultApps, but when I try to open it, it
> says it doesn't work with Intel processors.
>

Upgrading High Sierra fixed the problem:
https://github.com/Lord-Kamina/SwiftDefaultApps/issues/1#issuecomment-409895914


> I tried a simplified version of below Info.plist (I copied, as you
> did, the relevant part from LilyPond Info.plist).
> Unfortunately I could not find an easy tutorial to write your own
> Info.plist from scratch. It seems that normal procedure is building
> it in Xcode...
>

I'm trying to figure this out with SwiftDefaultApps developer:
https://github.com/Lord-Kamina/SwiftDefaultApps/issues/4

[Zone Dremik]

Re: Frescobaldi & Click-to-View

Sadly, I can not use Frescobaldi. Having upgraded to Mac OS 11.6 (El Capitan) I find that I am unable to bypass the built-in security feature that blocks unsigned applications. (no more freeware!) I am able to continue using Lilypond, because (I presume) it was already on the machine when I upgraded.

My solution:
On a whim, I tried opening the PDF files from the browser program (Safari on Mac). The links work! The corresponding .ly file opens to the correct text position. The system does issue a warning that can be ignored, and I can just click refresh each time I re-compile. It's a real kludge, but it runs quite smoothly, and I am back to work!


--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 7/7/18, Peter Engelbert <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: Interactive PDF Link to Notes in Preview
To: "Zone Dremik" <***@yahoo.com>, lilypond-***@gnu.org, ***@telia.com
Date: Saturday, July 7, 2018, 3:18 PM

If you're looking to have this feature work,
and are running linux, I was only able to do it by building
an older version of xpdf (for the pdf viewer) and using GVim
(not regular Vim) for the point and click feature.  It
still works but it seems the feature hasn't been updated
since most people use Frescobaldi.  I much prefer Vim

Peter

On
Sat, Jul 07, 2018 at 11:10:08AM -0700, Mason Hock wrote:
> On 07/07, Zone Dremik wrote:
> > Click-to-View was such a valuable
feature. I could click on notes, chord symbols or lyrics,
and the URI link would open the correct .ly file and
highlight the exact text-code. (My oldest files date from
2009. I've been enjoying this feature a long time, and
really miss it.)
>
>
Have you tried Frescobaldi?



>
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[David Kastrup]

Zone Dremik <***@yahoo.com> writes:

> Re: Frescobaldi & Click-to-View
>
> Sadly, I can not use Frescobaldi. Having upgraded to Mac OS 11.6 (El
> Capitan) I find that I am unable to bypass the built-in security
> feature that blocks unsigned applications. (no more freeware!) I am
> able to continue using Lilypond, because (I presume) it was already on
> the machine when I upgraded.

If people can corroborate that, we can strike off MacOSX from the list
of platforms we need to support.

--
David Kastrup

[Aaron Hill]

On 2018-07-12 07:51, David Kastrup wrote:
> Zone Dremik <***@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Re: Frescobaldi & Click-to-View
>>
>> Sadly, I can not use Frescobaldi. Having upgraded to Mac OS 11.6 (El
>> Capitan) I find that I am unable to bypass the built-in security
>> feature that blocks unsigned applications. (no more freeware!) I am
>> able to continue using Lilypond, because (I presume) it was already on
>> the machine when I upgraded.
>
> If people can corroborate that, we can strike off MacOSX from the list
> of platforms we need to support.

A quick web search turned up this:

https://www.wikihow.com/Install-Software-from-Unsigned-Developers-on-a-Mac

According to some other posts, the newer versions of the OS make it
harder than before to disable the so-called "safety" feature, which in
reality is nothing more than a feeble attempt at forcing people to use
the Apple Store, where Apple makes money on sales.

P.S. I should disclose that I do not use a Mac, so I cannot confirm
whether the wikihow article is valid.

-- Aaron Hill

[Werner LEMBERG]

>> Sadly, I can not use Frescobaldi. Having upgraded to Mac OS 11.6
>> (El Capitan) I find that I am unable to bypass the built-in
>> security feature that blocks unsigned applications. (no more
>> freeware!) I am able to continue using Lilypond, because (I
>> presume) it was already on the machine when I upgraded.
>
> If people can corroborate that, we can strike off MacOSX from the
> list of platforms we need to support.

It seems that Zone is mistaken.

https://mac-how-to.gadgethacks.com/how-to/open-third-party-apps-from-unidentified-developers-macos-0158095/

Note that I'm not a Mac OS user; I just did a quick search in the
internet.


Werner

[Jacques Menu Muzhic]

>>> Sadly, I can not use Frescobaldi. Having upgraded to Mac OS 11.6
>>> (El Capitan) I find that I am unable to bypass the built-in
>>> security feature that blocks unsigned applications. (no more
>>> freeware!) I am able to continue using Lilypond, because (I
>>> presume) it was already on the machine when I upgraded.


Hello Zone,

No such problem on my machine, but my Mac OS is more recent (10.13.5).

Go to System Preferences, where you can allow unsigned applications.

In the most recent versions, you’ll find there a button to specifically allow the last application that didn’t launch for security reasons.

HTH!

JM

[Robert Blackstone]

Hi,
Maybe some reassuring information.

I am a Mac OS user. I usually work on a MacBook Pro under Mac OSX 10-9-5 (Mavericks) but I also still have a rather ancient iMac, with El Capitan.

I just copied Frescobaldi, Lilypond 2-18-2-1, LilyPond 2-19-81 and TeXShop, with its LilyPond-Engines, to this latter Mac and found that they all worked perfectly.

So it seems that it is no reason (yet) to strike off MacOSX from the list of platforms we need to support.


Best Regards,

Robert Blackstone


On 12 Jul 2018, at 10:11 , Werner LEMBERG <***@gnu.org> wrote:

>
>>> Sadly, I can not use Frescobaldi. Having upgraded to Mac OS 11.6
>>> (El Capitan) I find that I am unable to bypass the built-in
>>> security feature that blocks unsigned applications. (no more
>>> freeware!) I am able to continue using Lilypond, because (I
>>> presume) it was already on the machine when I upgraded.
>>
>> If people can corroborate that, we can strike off MacOSX from the
>> list of platforms we need to support.
>
> It seems that Zone is mistaken.
>
> https://mac-how-to.gadgethacks.com/how-to/open-third-party-apps-from-unidentified-developers-macos-0158095/
>
> Note that I'm not a Mac OS user; I just did a quick search in the
> internet.
>
>
> Werner
>
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> lilypond-***@gnu.org
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[Andrew Bernard]

Indeed, there's a standard simple way to allow unsigned applications and
this is normal for OS X, and has been for some time (although it is
slightly hidden). I can confirm this continues to work at the current OS X
version 10.13 High Sierra. The technique is mentioned above.

No need to delete Mac from the supported systems.

Andrew

[Zone Dremik]

Thank you community! Control-Click worked - I am now able to try Frescobaldi!

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 7/12/18, Werner LEMBERG <***@gnu.org> wrote:

Subject: Re: Interactive PDF Link to Notes in Preview
To: ***@gnu.org
Cc: ***@yahoo.com, ***@telia.com, lilypond-***@gnu.org, ***@gmail.com
Date: Thursday, July 12, 2018, 4:11 AM


>> Sadly, I can not
use Frescobaldi.  Having upgraded to Mac OS 11.6
>> (El Capitan) I find that I am unable
to bypass the built-in
>> security
feature that blocks unsigned applications.  (no more
>> freeware!)  I am able to continue
using Lilypond, because (I
>> presume)
it was already on the machine when I upgraded.
>
> If people can
corroborate that, we can strike off MacOSX from the
> list of platforms we need to
support.

It seems
that Zone is mistaken.

 
https://mac-how-to.gadgethacks.com/how-to/open-third-party-apps-from-unidentified-developers-macos-0158095/

Note that I'm not a Mac OS
user; I just did a quick search in the
internet.


    Werner

[Zone Dremik]

This problem was my own.  The issue was easily remedied with a Control-Click on the app icon. My machine may be at the limit of system compatibility, but I'm up and running Frescobaldi.
--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 7/12/18, David Kastrup <***@gnu.org> wrote:

Subject: Re: Interactive PDF Link to Notes in Preview
To: "Zone Dremik" <***@yahoo.com>
Cc: lilypond-***@gnu.org, ***@telia.com, "Peter Engelbert" <***@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, July 12, 2018, 3:51 AM

Zone Dremik <***@yahoo.com>
writes:

> Re: Frescobaldi &
Click-to-View
>
>
Sadly, I can not use Frescobaldi. Having upgraded to Mac OS
11.6 (El
> Capitan) I find that I am
unable to bypass the built-in security
>
feature that blocks unsigned applications. (no more
freeware!)  I am
> able to continue
using Lilypond, because (I presume) it was already on
> the machine when I upgraded.

If people can corroborate
that, we can strike off MacOSX from the list
of platforms we need to support.

--
David
Kastrup