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advice on orchestral parts and string Divisi
Reggie
2018-07-26 01:06:51 UTC
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For those of you who engrave orchestral music in which the strings often have
your typical divisi a2 or a3

Suppose a performance is coming up and you need to print parts from the full
score.

So when you go to engrave the individual parts for any of the strings for
example, (say Violin I), would you:

a) always leave the Violin I "as is" and just \new Staff the violin variable
as it appears in the full score regardless of divisi complexity /
independence
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part)
b) only leave the Violin I as is from the full score if it's a simple score
and not that complicated of a separate part
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part, but only if it's not too complex of
a division rhythm-wise and for not that many measures in the score)
c) always input all divisi as separate variables from the beginning and
actually partcombine the divisi of the same instrument, so as to have
multiple staves if need be on the part version.
--*(Violin I from the start of engraving has already been pre-variabled into
2/3 divisi with a ton of spacer rests throughout the whole part until the
sections needed, then input the divisi notes, then go back to normal, etc -
at the end, use partcombine on the part, etc.)

How do you approach printing string parts for a modern orchestral piece,
regarding divisi? Does it depend or is your approach constant?
Most of the music I am engraving has divisi similar to that of the 19th
century, where it's not too separate of a part difference but some upcoming
projects I will be working on have rather diverse divisi spreads within the
same string part.
So I wanted to begin the project 'correctly' before getting too deep in and
realizing I couldn't do parts easily. You can't really [easily] do a
partcombine with just one variable taht has temporary voices on it.

Thanks



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Reggie
2018-11-14 01:19:58 UTC
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Post by Reggie
For those of you who engrave orchestral music in which the strings often have
your typical divisi a2 or a3
Suppose a performance is coming up and you need to print parts from the full
score.
So when you go to engrave the individual parts for any of the strings for
a) always leave the Violin I "as is" and just \new Staff the violin variable
as it appears in the full score regardless of divisi complexity /
independence
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part)
b) only leave the Violin I as is from the full score if it's a simple score
and not that complicated of a separate part
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part, but only if it's not too complex of
a division rhythm-wise and for not that many measures in the score)
c) always input all divisi as separate variables from the beginning and
actually partcombine the divisi of the same instrument, so as to have
multiple staves if need be on the part version.
--*(Violin I from the start of engraving has already been pre-variabled into
2/3 divisi with a ton of spacer rests throughout the whole part until the
sections needed, then input the divisi notes, then go back to normal, etc -
at the end, use partcombine on the part, etc.)
How do you approach printing string parts for a modern orchestral piece,
regarding divisi? Does it depend or is your approach constant?
Most of the music I am engraving has divisi similar to that of the 19th
century, where it's not too separate of a part difference but some upcoming
projects I will be working on have rather diverse divisi spreads within the
same string part.
So I wanted to begin the project 'correctly' before getting too deep in and
realizing I couldn't do parts easily. You can't really [easily] do a
partcombine with just one variable taht has temporary voices on it.
Thanks
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writing the music?



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Reggie
2018-11-14 01:38:30 UTC
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Post by Reggie
Post by Reggie
For those of you who engrave orchestral music in which the strings often have
your typical divisi a2 or a3
Suppose a performance is coming up and you need to print parts from the full
score.
So when you go to engrave the individual parts for any of the strings for
a) always leave the Violin I "as is" and just \new Staff the violin variable
as it appears in the full score regardless of divisi complexity /
independence
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part)
b) only leave the Violin I as is from the full score if it's a simple score
and not that complicated of a separate part
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part, but only if it's not too complex of
a division rhythm-wise and for not that many measures in the score)
c) always input all divisi as separate variables from the beginning and
actually partcombine the divisi of the same instrument, so as to have
multiple staves if need be on the part version.
--*(Violin I from the start of engraving has already been pre-variabled into
2/3 divisi with a ton of spacer rests throughout the whole part until the
sections needed, then input the divisi notes, then go back to normal, etc -
at the end, use partcombine on the part, etc.)
How do you approach printing string parts for a modern orchestral piece,
regarding divisi? Does it depend or is your approach constant?
Most of the music I am engraving has divisi similar to that of the 19th
century, where it's not too separate of a part difference but some upcoming
projects I will be working on have rather diverse divisi spreads within the
same string part.
So I wanted to begin the project 'correctly' before getting too deep in and
realizing I couldn't do parts easily. You can't really [easily] do a
partcombine with just one variable taht has temporary voices on it.
Thanks
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See what I mean here Loading Image... how can
I create divisi from full score without going crzy?

\version "2.19.80"
\language "english"
#(set-global-staff-size 18)
\header {
title = "Composition"
% Remove default LilyPond tagline
tagline = ##f
}

\paper {
#(set-paper-size "folio")
}

global = {
\key c \major
\numericTimeSignature
\time 5/4
\tempo "Slow"
}

violinI = \relative c'' {
\global
% Music follows here.
\repeat unfold 10 { c4 d c d8 ef8 f4 }
\repeat unfold 4 {
<<
{ c'16 c c c r4 cs16 cs cs cs r4 c}
\\ { \tuplet 3/2 { < ef,, a>4 q q } <c' e>8 q q q q4 }
}
|
c1~c4 c1~c4 R1*5/4*4
}

violinII = \relative c'' {
\global
% Music follows here.
R1*25
}

viola = \relative c' {
\global
% Music follows here.
R1*25
}

cello = \relative c {
\global
% Music follows here.
R1*25
}

contrabass = \relative c {
\global
% Music follows here.
\repeat unfold 10 { c2 d c d4 ef4 f2 }
}

violinIPart = \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violin I"
} \violinI

violinIIPart = \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violin II"
} \violinII

violaPart = \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Viola"
} { \clef alto \viola }

celloPart = \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Cello"
} { \clef bass \cello }

contrabassPart = \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Contrabass"
} { \clef bass \contrabass }

\score {
\new StaffGroup <<
\violinIPart
\violinIIPart
\violaPart
\celloPart
\contrabassPart
\layout { }
}




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Reggie
2018-11-14 02:00:49 UTC
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Sorry is there a problem with Google translate please my apologies I fixed it
now from now on.



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Xavier Scheuer
2018-11-14 07:07:00 UTC
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Hello,

I use VerticalAxisGroup.remove-layer as described in
input/regression/divisi-staves.ly

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/input/regression/a6/lily-436997bb.ly

See more info on the bug tracker of issue 3518.
https://code.google.com/archive/p/lilypond/issues/3518

Works very well but unfortunately not documented in the Notation
Reference manual it seems.

Cheers,
Xavier
Post by Reggie
For those of you who engrave orchestral music in which the strings often have
your typical divisi a2 or a3
Suppose a performance is coming up and you need to print parts from the full
score.
So when you go to engrave the individual parts for any of the strings for
a) always leave the Violin I "as is" and just \new Staff the violin variable
as it appears in the full score regardless of divisi complexity /
independence
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part)
b) only leave the Violin I as is from the full score if it's a simple score
and not that complicated of a separate part
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part, but only if it's not too complex of
a division rhythm-wise and for not that many measures in the score)
c) always input all divisi as separate variables from the beginning and
actually partcombine the divisi of the same instrument, so as to have
multiple staves if need be on the part version.
--*(Violin I from the start of engraving has already been pre-variabled into
2/3 divisi with a ton of spacer rests throughout the whole part until the
sections needed, then input the divisi notes, then go back to normal, etc -
at the end, use partcombine on the part, etc.)
How do you approach printing string parts for a modern orchestral piece,
regarding divisi? Does it depend or is your approach constant?
Most of the music I am engraving has divisi similar to that of the 19th
century, where it's not too separate of a part difference but some upcoming
projects I will be working on have rather diverse divisi spreads within the
same string part.
So I wanted to begin the project 'correctly' before getting too deep in and
realizing I couldn't do parts easily. You can't really [easily] do a
partcombine with just one variable taht has temporary voices on it.
Thanks
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Reggie
2018-11-14 13:19:30 UTC
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Can you show how to apply this to my code I shared please? Staffgroup added?
Post by Xavier Scheuer
Hello,
I use VerticalAxisGroup.remove-layer as described in
input/regression/divisi-staves.ly
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/input/regression/a6/lily-436997bb.ly
See more info on the bug tracker of issue 3518.
https://code.google.com/archive/p/lilypond/issues/3518
Works very well but unfortunately not documented in the Notation
Reference manual it seems.
Cheers,
Xavier
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 at 03:07, Reggie &lt;
Post by Reggie
For those of you who engrave orchestral music in which the strings often
have
Post by Reggie
your typical divisi a2 or a3
Suppose a performance is coming up and you need to print parts from the
full
Post by Reggie
score.
So when you go to engrave the individual parts for any of the strings for
a) always leave the Violin I "as is" and just \new Staff the violin
variable
Post by Reggie
as it appears in the full score regardless of divisi complexity /
independence
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part)
b) only leave the Violin I as is from the full score if it's a simple
score
Post by Reggie
and not that complicated of a separate part
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part, but only if it's not too complex
of
Post by Reggie
a division rhythm-wise and for not that many measures in the score)
c) always input all divisi as separate variables from the beginning and
actually partcombine the divisi of the same instrument, so as to have
multiple staves if need be on the part version.
--*(Violin I from the start of engraving has already been pre-variabled
into
Post by Reggie
2/3 divisi with a ton of spacer rests throughout the whole part until the
sections needed, then input the divisi notes, then go back to normal, etc
-
Post by Reggie
at the end, use partcombine on the part, etc.)
How do you approach printing string parts for a modern orchestral piece,
regarding divisi? Does it depend or is your approach constant?
Most of the music I am engraving has divisi similar to that of the 19th
century, where it's not too separate of a part difference but some
upcoming
Post by Reggie
projects I will be working on have rather diverse divisi spreads within
the
Post by Reggie
same string part.
So I wanted to begin the project 'correctly' before getting too deep in
and
Post by Reggie
realizing I couldn't do parts easily. You can't really [easily] do a
partcombine with just one variable taht has temporary voices on it.
Thanks
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Reggie
2018-11-20 20:32:56 UTC
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Please show me how you mean what you are talking about I cannot understand
this. I believe this is an essential piece when composing orchestral works
and making the parts for the parts and players. Thank you.
Post by Xavier Scheuer
Hello,
I use VerticalAxisGroup.remove-layer as described in
input/regression/divisi-staves.ly
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/input/regression/a6/lily-436997bb.ly
See more info on the bug tracker of issue 3518.
https://code.google.com/archive/p/lilypond/issues/3518
Works very well but unfortunately not documented in the Notation
Reference manual it seems.
Cheers,
Xavier
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 at 03:07, Reggie &lt;
Post by Reggie
For those of you who engrave orchestral music in which the strings often
have
Post by Reggie
your typical divisi a2 or a3
Suppose a performance is coming up and you need to print parts from the
full
Post by Reggie
score.
So when you go to engrave the individual parts for any of the strings for
a) always leave the Violin I "as is" and just \new Staff the violin
variable
Post by Reggie
as it appears in the full score regardless of divisi complexity /
independence
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part)
b) only leave the Violin I as is from the full score if it's a simple
score
Post by Reggie
and not that complicated of a separate part
--*(Violin I all on one staff for part, but only if it's not too complex
of
Post by Reggie
a division rhythm-wise and for not that many measures in the score)
c) always input all divisi as separate variables from the beginning and
actually partcombine the divisi of the same instrument, so as to have
multiple staves if need be on the part version.
--*(Violin I from the start of engraving has already been pre-variabled
into
Post by Reggie
2/3 divisi with a ton of spacer rests throughout the whole part until the
sections needed, then input the divisi notes, then go back to normal, etc
-
Post by Reggie
at the end, use partcombine on the part, etc.)
How do you approach printing string parts for a modern orchestral piece,
regarding divisi? Does it depend or is your approach constant?
Most of the music I am engraving has divisi similar to that of the 19th
century, where it's not too separate of a part difference but some
upcoming
Post by Reggie
projects I will be working on have rather diverse divisi spreads within
the
Post by Reggie
same string part.
So I wanted to begin the project 'correctly' before getting too deep in
and
Post by Reggie
realizing I couldn't do parts easily. You can't really [easily] do a
partcombine with just one variable taht has temporary voices on it.
Thanks
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